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[Steve Marcozzi]

I can't use the 'back" button like before. It takes me to a "page expired" screen.

Any news on getting the old posts back on?

Thanks,

Steve Marcozzi

[Zach Grant L1011jock]

Steve and all,
As of now we are still missing the Jan 2006-Apr 2008 posts due to them being kept elsewhere, however the search function searches the archives of all available posta in this database. Use it and search atopic and see what you come up with. You will be surprised how much is still here!

-Zach

[Steve Marcozzi]

I got hit and miss results at best.

I'm not sure if its operator error, or what yet. I'll fool with it later when I have more time.

In short, it mostly comes back with no result regardless of the topic I try, and I tried some pretty generic stuff, like want to buy 180, etc. Once or twice it returned the old posts, but on any other general, engine or airframe searches it came back with no match.

What did the old Indian say in the Clint Eastwod movie say? "Endeavor to Persevere".

Steve

[Alan Cheak]

To the BOD and those that make this site run, I've noticed in the last two weeks or so that there seems to be very little action/info on this forum. The most I've seen on line is maybe 4. Clearly the information and action is flowing more freely on the Delphi forum.

Hope all this gets sorted out as we need BOTH forums for info on maintaining our machines. If I was still in the military I'd say to the BOD GYST.

Alan Cheak

[Monica Rehkopf]

Alan,
have you ever considered asking the Delphi friends to come and live with and populate the ICS forum?
We clearly all have the same cause and it is a well known truism that singing from the same hymn sheet makes you stronger.

Our President, Dave Fitzgerald, has been very innocently caught in a rather unhappy incidence and is working very hard to keep the damage as low as possible.
He needs every help he can get from ALL of us.

Monica

[Dale Vandever]

Eighty seven percent of the Comanche Owner's FORUM members are dues paying ICS members, so it is difficult to make the case that they don't support ICS, or oppose ICS.

COF has supported Dave Fitzgerald's efforts to get the ICS FORUM back up and running by posting his daily updates on the status of his efforts.

I posted at 11:00 PM last night that the ICS FORUM was back to being functional, even though still somewhat slower than usual. I posted this morning that operations are back to normal.

COF has offerred Dave access to all the COF archives to aid in the process of rebuilding the ICS archives.

From day one, COF has maintained a direct link to the ICS site on our start page.

COF has promoted the 2008 ICS Convention on the Start page for many months and has had downloadable registration forms on line and is still doing so.

I believe that every new member of COF has promptly been asked if he/she is an ICS member and has been encouraged to join.

COF was up and running for four years prior to the start of the ICS FORUM so it is clear that COF was definately not started in opposition to the ICS site, even though some do imply that.

Many Comanche owners have found that having two web sites is to their benefit. If that were not true, both web sites would not still be growing.

Dale

[Monica Rehkopf]

Thank you very much for your comprehensive answer.

This is all known to me.

Thanks also for supporting ICS and the forum to the best of your ability.

Monica

[T210DRVR]

I don't understand exactly what happened, but this forum doesn't have activity because it is essentially FUBAR. It used to be a happy place with lots of historical information that was very helpful. Now it is dead.

Did someone nuke the forum?

[Zach Grant L1011jock]

Yes, it got nuked, and essentially 2+ years of data were stolen by a disgruntled ex webmaster....but if you run a search for a topic, the archives are still active so just because you don't see it on the main page, doesn't mean you cant access it! The answers can be rebuilt. Ask and ye shall recieve. Posts can be stolen, but the knowledge and the helpful people remain!

-Zach

[T210DRVR]

Lovely, I saw where he had posted that he was leaving. I didn't realize how bitter he was.

[T210DRVR]

BTW, I was trying to get over some weather in my Comanche 180. Didn't quite get over, but I made it to 17,000 ft with density altitude better than 17,500. Tops were around 18,000. I was impressed how high she was willing to climb with full fuel and 350 lbs of payload.

[Zach Grant L1011jock]

Yes, it is amaizing. I regularly cruise with the O2 flowing in mine. 16K-17K is really the highest practical altitude, but it still does pretty good up there. I turn in roughly 135 KTAS at those density altitudes in my 180 on about 6 GPH. I can almost affort to fly with those numbers! Another surprising thing about the 180. It doesn't know what high and hot is either. It will come off a high density altitude runway and not scare you like many other more powerful types will. Get her cleaned up and you are off to the races! BTW, gap seals make a BIG difference on these rarefied air operations, so those without them have a slightly different performance story to tell.

-Zach

[ics-12766]

I'll be "that advocate" again Since "summer" is just around the corner...

Re: High density altitudes. I know that you CFI's have more definitive numbers, but as a general rule, I consider takeoff distance to double ... here at Evanston on a typical 83 deg F summer afternoon, DA's top 10,000' .

"Standard" temp is about freezing. This morning, according to the ASOS, temp is + 4 C, DA is 7400'.

I know you know this stuff, Zach

Best we all know our limits.

For the thread cops, the forum is slow this morning...

[Zach Grant L1011jock]

Rich,
Yes I do know this, and how I learned it was learning it the hard way as a young bulletproof inexperienced pilot! A Cherokee Six with 4 on board, lots of bags and full fuel will cross the end of an 8000' long runway at Denver Front Range at about 20' and spend some more time in ground effect beyond the fence, all this on an 80 degree day! Once it started up hill I was lucky to get about 250 fpm, and really had trouble outclimbing the very weak downdrafts. I survived and decided I should learn more than just a cursery mention of density altitude that I had been left with out of my flight training. Since then, and with considerable mountain flying experience in a variety of light aircraft, some tuboed, some not, I can definitively say that some do better than others! Comanches and Mooneys, with their laminar flow wings are the best. The Hershey Bar winged Pipers are the worst, regardless of how much horsepower, and everything else is somewhere in between. Every time I get my Comanche 180 to high country, it still amazes me with its performance from such relatively low horsepower. My turbo Twinkie in Leadville is fine too, as long as you can figure out how to keep the engines running long enough to get to the runway

Rich has a point that I will make also. Lots of experience with flat lands does not prepare you for the high country, and density altitude is real, it bears watching, and things are different in the hills. Get a competent checkout before attempting any mountain flying. What you do have going for you here is that the Comanche is one of the best hot/high light aircraft that you can fly, but it still needs to be respected in both takeoff distance as well as climb gradient.

Now back to forum performance...must be some serious density altitude issues with the server...
-Zach

[T210DRVR]

Maybe the gap seals explain it. I have a full set on my 180. I was extremely surprised that it made it up there as well as it did. I have an O-520 in my 182, and I don't think it would have done any better.

I ended up going back and flying my 340. FL 210 was no problem, but I was burning 28 GPH.