Seat Upholstery

[Warren Janzen]

My front seats have very little support. Would like to have my local upholstery shop fix my seats. I've found burn certified seat foam. Can't seem to find
much in the way of fabric options that are burn certified. Trying to find a cheaper option than Airtex. Anyone have a pattern for a 1961 PA24 180 ?

Thanks

[Clarence Beintema]

One that I am aware of is Douglas Interior Products Inc.

Clarence

[Andrew Foster]

Burn certs are not legally required by the certification date of our aircraft.
At least this is what I've read hear and on the other forum.
That said you'll need to convince your IA.

Andrew

[Pat Elliott]

[quote="Andrew Foster"]Burn certs are not legally required by the certification date of our aircraft.
At least this is what I've read hear and on the other forum.
That said you'll need to convince your IA.

Andrew[/quote]

I agree, most comanches were certified under CAR-3,

9-60. GENERAL. Only materials that are flash-resistant should be used in cabin interiors. The requirements related to fire protection qualities of cabin interior materials are specified in CAR 3.388, fire precautions or 14 CFR part 23, section 23.853 compartment interiors.

9-61. CAR-3 AIRCRAFT INTERIOR. The requirement for an interior of a CAR-3 aircraft that is used only in 14 CFR, part 91 operations, where smoking is not permitted, is that the materials shall be flash-resistant. (Reference CAR-3.388.)


a. For compartments in CAR-3 aircraft where smoking is permitted, the wall and ceiling linings, the covering of all upholstering, floors, and furnishings shall be flame-resistant. Such compartments should be equipped with an adequate number of self-contained ash trays. All other compartments shall be placarded against smoking. (Refer to CAR-3.388.)


(1) If fabric is bought in bulk to refurbish the interior, seats, and ceiling liners for a CAR-3 aircraft used in part 91 operations, a manufacturer's statement, declaring that the material meets the [b]American Society for Testing and Materials (ASTM) or similar national standard for either flash resistance or flame resistance, would be acceptable[/b], but only for a CAR-3 aircraft installation. (Refer to 14 CFR part 43, section 43.13(a).) A manufacturer's statement is acceptable due to neither the Civil Aeronautics Administration (CAA) nor the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) having published an FAA fire standard for either flash or flame resistance for interior materials for CAR-3 aircraft. Since the FAA would accept and recognize a national standard, the mechanic would reference the manufacturer's statement and the national standard that the material meets in the aircraft's maintenance records.

(2) If an annual inspection is performed on a CAR-3 aircraft with a new interior and there is no mention of a manufacturer's statement that the fabric is flash or flame resistant as applicable, the possibility exists that the fabric is an unapproved part. The mechanic should take the necessary steps to ensure that the fabric meets or exceeds the ASTM or national standards. (Refer to 14 CFR part 23, appendix F.)

(3) If an FAA-approved STC interior kit is installed in a CAR-3 aircraft, and the material and fabric in the kit are PMA or TSO approved, the mechanic should include the STC number in block 8 of FAA Form 337.
b. It is recommended that for all CAR-3 interiors to use only fabric and materials that meets the more stringent requirements of part 23, appendix F.
9-62. PART 23 AIRCRAFT INTERIOR. Materials used in part 23 aircraft interiors must meet the requirements of section 23.853, and the burn test requirements called out in part 23, appendix F.

a. If the fabric is bought in bulk to refurbish a part 23 aircraft then the fabric must meet the part 23 burn requirements. A burn test would have to be done on samples of the material and fabrics by an approved and rated FAA Repair Station. That FAA Repair Station would certify that all the material and fabrics meet part 23, appendix F requirements. The mechanic would include that repair station's statement in the aircraft's records.



With all that said, look at Boat and RV materials.. They must be meet American Society for Testing and Materials (ASTM) or similar national standard for either flash resistance or flame resistance,

[Pat Elliott]

Directly from Car-3

§ 3.388 Fire precautions—(a) Cabin interiors. Only materials which are flash resistant
shall be used. In compartments where smoking is to be permitted, the materials of the
cabin lining, floors, upholstery, and furnishings shall be flame-resistant. Such compartments shall
be equipped with an adequate number of self contained ash trays. All other compartments
shall be placarded against smoking.


So I need to make sure I have a no-smoking placard, since I removed my ashtray when I put in my intercom..

[Kristin Winter]

Pat,

What were you quoting from in your first post?

[Pat Elliott]

I made it all up and typed it out......


no actually it's AC 43.13-1B SECTION 4. CABIN INTERIOR

http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/medi ... .13-1b.pdf


I thought all IA's had to have it memorized as part of the test..

[Pat Elliott]

For example:

Car3 says no flash,
AC 43.13-1B SECTION 4. CABIN INTERIOR says ASTM or simular.

This website sells some nice fabric... http://upholsterysupplyonline.com/categ ... to-Fabric/
and listed there is this : Flame Resistance: California Technical Bulletin 117, Section E. NFPA 260-1989, Class 1. CS-191-53, Class 1. UFAC, Class 1. BIFMA X5. 701991 B.S 5852 Part 1: 1979 Ignition Source 0; Smoldering Cigarette

I'm sure that would keep you kosher.